LAYERS of editorial oversight

According to, the perpetrator of the Fort Hood atrocity used a simply MASSIVE handgun in the attack:

The initial investigation shows that Hasan allegedly used only one gun during the attack — a 5.7-caliber semiautomatic pistol.

Hmmm. For some perspective, here are some empty shell casings from various size guns that I’ve collected over the years. From left to right click pix to make bigger:

.35 caliber (9mm) pistol
.45 caliber pistol
.223 caliber rifle
.30 caliber (.30-06) rifle
.50 caliber rifle
.79 caliber (20mm) anti-aircraft gun
1.57 caliber (40mm) grenade launcher

The silver thing is a standard 12″ metal ruler for scale.

Unfortunately, I don’t have anything in 5.7 caliber to compare with…but, as a remnant of my Navy career and many years I spent on Destroyers and Frigates, I do have an empty shell casing from a 5 caliber gun.

5 caliber is close enough to 5.7 caliber for comparison purposes isn’t it?

Here you go.

Holy crap.

I wonder what the recoil from a handgun that shoots one of those things would be like?

I wonder if a 5.7 caliber handgun uses a single stack or double stack mag?

Isn’t it a good thing those main stream media outlets, unlike we lowly bloggers, have LAYERS of editorial oversight? Without that, they might make ridiculous mistakes that make them look like fools.


18 thoughts on “LAYERS of editorial oversight

  1. I would have to agree.

    To someone who knows nothing about guns and caliber the difference between 5.7mm and 5.7 caliber might be splitting hairs, but you would think the media gets called out on this stuff often enough that they'd start doing their homework eventally, if for no other reason, just so they don't look like morons.

    My big issue with it is this: These people are supposed to be providing us with usable information. If they get it wrong so consistently and so often on a subject about which I know when they're wrong…what would possibly possess me to take them seriously when they're talking about a subject I know nothing about?

  2. Sitting here doing some reading with Fox news playing in the background (unusual for me) a couple of minutes ago. And I actually heard whichever talking head was blathering on, say something to the effect: "he was using a 5.7mm handgun also known as a cop killer" WTF?

  3. yeah I heard that same thing– they said the FNfiveseven used 9mm bullets which are known to be able to penetrate vests…

    yelling at the TV ensued…

    They use a 5.7mm round, of course- effectively a .22, though with a magnum load behind it… and the armor piercing ammo is itself a controlled item- you can't just go buy it as a civvie…

    Check your facts, damnit!!

  4. I watched a bit of the news coverage that said he had a "high powered" 9 mm handgun.

    I just love how they call all calibers "high powered"

    They probably think my kid's bb gun is high powered.

  5. The 5.7 caliber would be a cop killer, hell, it's a destroyer killer.

    I have a 5 caliber training round in my living room. Most people ask what it is, rather than what size is it.

  6. Ditto. I heard Fox say the same thing yesterday and I yelled at my set too!Dumb butts!

    BTW, I used your SKS trigger videos to take mine apart this afternoon and replace the Wolff springs with the stock ones. Your videos were terrific and made the job easy. I was getting light strikes on primers 2-4X out of 10 so I hope my efforts today solved the problem. That and a significant cleaning! I couldn't believe how dirty I let that beast get.

  7. […] Blaming the FN Herstal Five-SeveN pistol […]

    I wonder how long before they're carping that you can walk into any gun show and walk out with a 5.7 caliber automatic.

    Well, maybe they can but I sure couldn't.

  8. Actually, it's from the USS Moinester (FF-1097) which sported a 5"/54 caliber gun. The 5"/38 caliber gun used a two piece system of shell and powder charge versus a single cartridge like the newer 54 caliber (and even newer 62 caliber) guns.

    In Naval Guns, "Caliber" actually designates the length of the barrel in terms of the ratio between bore diameter and barrel length. A 5" /54 caliber gun would have a barrel length of 270 inches (5×54), whereas a gun of the same caliber with a 16" bore would have a barrel length of 864 inches.

    I know I took some artistic license in referring to a 5" naval shell casing as "5 caliber", but the article linked was referring to a 5.7 caliber HANDGUN, not Naval Gun…so I used "caliber" in terms of handguns wherein the caliber is strictly a measurement of the bore/bullet diameter.

    In firearms caliber designations, if the unit of measure is not stipulated, it is generally understood to be in inches. Since they failed to identify it as 5.7mm, the implication is that the handgun bore was in excess of five INCHES in diameter.

    Hence the use of the 5" naval shell casing for comparison…the only thing I had that was close.

    I realize that some people sadly lacking in the humor department don't get sarcasm and satire, so let me just state the point of my post outright:

    You cannot trust anything you read in the media. People with degrees in "journalism" are basically masters of NOTHING that they write about…they are only capable of parroting what they are told and, unless they do their own homework and fact check what they are told, they absolutely WILL mindlessly repeat incorrect, inaccurate, misleading and flat out false information…not to mention the fact that everything they produce WILL be tainted by their own personal prejudices and world-view.


    The media is a good place to get ideas about issues that you may be interested in looking into. In other words, something put out by the media can give you a STARTING POINT from which you can do some research and gain some knowledge. Something put out by the media IS NOT the end-point of knowledge.

  9. Regarding: "The 5"/38 caliber gun used a two piece system of shell and powder charge versus a single cartridge like the newer 54 caliber (and even newer 62 caliber) guns."

    5"/54 and 5"/62 use separate loading powder and charge [not a single semi-fixed cratridge].

    Here are some pictures of projectiles – Scroll down about half way on page. Note powder charge is not afixed.

  10. Hey, thanks. I'm not a gunner's mate. I know that the more modern 5" guns are autoloaders, and I've seen the shell casings being ejected from the turret during firing so I always had the impression that they were "cartridges" similar to smaller gun cartridges.

    Thanks for the clarification.

    Learn something new every day.

  11. And just drives my point home…don't believe everything you read in the media…not even the new media.

    But the new media has the benefit of an unlimited supply of fact checkers like Sofa to keep us honest.

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